Palm Day
I have a 5G smart phone, and only have it turned on as a plain telephone.
don't use it for anything other than making phone calls. being cheap I
pay $8.57 per month for "phone" service, I bought it outright so don't
have a plan. or contract. and only reason I got it was they were going to
turn off the 3G to make room for 5G
guess I am aveage "Bob"
Bob
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024, Dan Bodoh wrote:
Who are these average Joe's that eschew modern smartphones, and instead
use 25-year-old technology? Sounds like the tail of the distribution to
me....
On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 7:41 PM napakerr@hotmail.com wrote:
The reply option isn’t working correctly for me. Yes, I was referring to
WSL. I know it’s possible, but I need a solution for the average Joe. It
needs to be easy to install and needs both usb and printer functionality.
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Hello:
I have had a 3G BlackBerry 9320 for ~ 10 years now and only use it as a phone and to receive 2FA codes from various sources through SMS.
Never needed or wanted any of the features a smartphone will ram down your throat in exchange for your hard earnt money and all the metadata affiliated companies siphon off your phone activity but changes in how 2FA codes are sent by some actors have rather forced me to rescue a couple of them, originally destined for the landfill.
Put down a few coins to get them in proper working condition and there they are: in my desk drawer for when I need them for that specific purpose and maybe a call but everything else turned off. Be sure that you will not ever see me doing any bank transaction or on-line purchase through an *app* through them.
I am aveage "Bob"
Well. I guess that makes two of us.
In my case, average “Julius”.
Best,
JHM
Napakerr, I was obscurely saying that if your customer base is happy with
Linux hacking to keep Pilots running, then probably Windows isn't what this
"tail of the distribution Joes" will find helpful.
Dan
On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:02 PM napakerr@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes, I have a habit of being overly helpful. Really, way too much time
into it. But with that said, it’s fulfilling doing something people
appreciate and something no one else on the planet would probably consider.
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in that case I'm real glad your on the planet
you are programming above my level
Thanks
Bob
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, Dan Bodoh wrote:
Napakerr, I was obscurely saying that if your customer base is happy with
Linux hacking to keep Pilots running, then probably Windows isn't what this
"tail of the distribution Joes" will find helpful.
Dan
On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:02 PM napakerr@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes, I have a habit of being overly helpful. Really, way too much time
into it. But with that said, it’s fulfilling doing something people
appreciate and something no one else on the planet would probably consider.
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Lol, thank you, I misunderstood. I guess I have a mental bias due to the general consensus that Palm is dead, gone, and not worth the effort.
Neah not so.
I was using mine just a couple hours ago
Bob
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024, napakerr@hotmail.com wrote:
Lol, thank you, I misunderstood. I guess I have a mental bias due to the general consensus that Palm is dead, gone, and not worth the effort.
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Hi Kenny,
This depends on what you are asking me to do. If its to accept a PR of
well written code that didn't break things I would probably do that. If
it involves a lot of work for me then I doubt I would find the time. I
seem to have a growing backlog of things to do. Maybe that is part of
getting older...
I guess I don't have enough information on what you are wanting to do.
Judd
On 1/15/24 14:30, Kenny Bremer wrote:
Hi Judd,
I'll try to keep this concise. There's been a bit of a rumble regarding getting the Palm Day problem fixed. The issues are quite worse than I was expecting. This will be a very challenging and time-consuming problem to solve, but I have a prototype and a plan of attack. Because of the level of difficulty, I had set the project aside, but am being pressured to come up with a solution. I reasoned that having till 2030 there was time, but I think a large part of the problem now is that people are using Datebook to setup reminders of expired contracts, leases, etc which are beginning to fall out of range.
The reason I'm reaching out to you is that even if I had a fix for Palm OS, that doesn't fix the Desktop app. I've tried emulating JPilot in Windows, but 1. It doesn't work great, 2. USB through an emulator is challenging, and 3. The setup is just too involved for the average person.
I personally quit hot-syncing years ago, but for those who have contacted me, that's not an option. If I came up with a fix, we'd need to have an easy to install/setup desktop application which works in Windows with USB support.
In the interest of keeping Palm alive, are you perhaps willing to consider a windows port of JPilot along with a few minor adjustments needed to handle an alternate date epoch? Seeing that it's a GTK+ project, I thought perhaps it would be a relatively reasonable undertaking.
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Hello,
I also did not fully understand what to do. There is a reasonable Year 2038
problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem The Palm
internal format uses UInt32 for dates in the form: seconds since 12:00 A.M.
1904. Adding 2^32 seconds should give roughly the year 2040. So the Palm
should have a problem then. J-Pilot internally works with struct tm: a
separate int for day, month, year. There is some code like
t2 = today->tm_mday + today->tm_mon*31 + today->tm_year
which might overflow if the year is really large. These cases can be fixed
by switching to long, instead int. Otherwise I think J-Pilot will work fine
in 2050 and onwards.
J-Pilot can already store its data in SQLite, where there is no problem
with dates, i.e., the date is stored as a four digit number. Though, this
SQLite version of J-Pilot cannot sync to Palm devices. " I personally quit
hot-syncing years ago,...", so did I, as all my Palm devices no longer
work, but I use J-Pilot almost daily.
Regards,
Elmar.
On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 7:19 PM Judd Montgomery judd@jpilot.org wrote:
Hi Kenny,
This depends on what you are asking me to do. If its to accept a PR of
well written code that didn't break things I would probably do that. If
it involves a lot of work for me then I doubt I would find the time. I
seem to have a growing backlog of things to do. Maybe that is part of
getting older...
I guess I don't have enough information on what you are wanting to do.
Judd
On 1/15/24 14:30, Kenny Bremer wrote:
Hi Judd,
I'll try to keep this concise. There's been a bit of a rumble regarding
getting the Palm Day problem fixed. The issues are quite worse than I was
expecting. This will be a very challenging and time-consuming problem to
solve, but I have a prototype and a plan of attack. Because of the level
of difficulty, I had set the project aside, but am being pressured to come
up with a solution. I reasoned that having till 2030 there was time, but I
think a large part of the problem now is that people are using Datebook to
setup reminders of expired contracts, leases, etc which are beginning to
fall out of range.
The reason I'm reaching out to you is that even if I had a fix for Palm
OS, that doesn't fix the Desktop app. I've tried emulating JPilot in
Windows, but 1. It doesn't work great, 2. USB through an emulator is
challenging, and 3. The setup is just too involved for the average person.
I personally quit hot-syncing years ago, but for those who have
contacted me, that's not an option. If I came up with a fix, we'd need to
have an easy to install/setup desktop application which works in Windows
with USB support.
In the interest of keeping Palm alive, are you perhaps willing to
consider a windows port of JPilot along with a few minor adjustments needed
to handle an alternate date epoch? Seeing that it's a GTK+ project, I
thought perhaps it would be a relatively reasonable undertaking.
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Am 20.01.24 um 20:42 schrieb Elmar Klausmeier:
Hello,
...The Palm internal format uses UInt32 for dates in the form: seconds since 12:00 A.M. 1904.
I'm wondering.
Isn't it: seconds since 00:00 A.M. 1904 ?
Ulf
I guess we are meaning the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 10:41 AM Ulf Zibis Ulf.Zibis@cosoco.de wrote:
Am 20.01.24 um 20:42 schrieb Elmar Klausmeier:
Hello,
...The Palm internal format uses UInt32 for dates in the form: seconds
since 12:00 A.M. 1904.
I'm wondering.
Isn't it: seconds since 00:00 A.M. 1904 ?
Ulf
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