[jp] jpilot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4

Ron K. Jeffries rjeffries at gmail.com
Fri Jan 21 15:52:38 EST 2011


I have NOT given up on HP doing something interesting with WebOS.

I continue to use my aging Treo 700p, with no data plan. I'd like to
find a modern smartphone with a better camera, and have the ability to
buy the 3G data service a month at a time (no contract) as I will
often use wi-fi at
a Starbucks, Macdonalds or other easy to find FREE hotspot,

Almost all my friends are now on iPhone, although a few use and
like Android phones.

Yesterday I played with the new Samsung Tab at my Verizon store.
It is a nice 7-inch tablet. Google maps ROCKS on it. Wow!

my short list of requirements: (PLEASE comment;)

--good camera
--memory slot (micro SD is fine)
--micro USB
--large, bright high-resolution screen
--Wi-Fi
--standard 3.5mm jack (audio)

desirable, but NOT required
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--physical button for camera!
--removable battery
--physical keyboard a la Treo or Blackberry
--Bluetooth
--physical button to turn ringer on/off
Ron K. Jeffries







On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 07:27, Non-Techie Talk <nontechietalk at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm amazed that there are people out there who "understand" my pain at the
> long slow demise of the venerable Palm OS.
> I'm also amazed that, as we mull over "where do we go from here? What is the
> path forward?", there appears to be no hope for HP webOS...!
> My wife just opened her first gmail account (I'm a big fan of gmail,
> managing 12 email addresses). There are many features/apps available to her
> on her Centro that she just wouldn't use (compared to her, I'm
> major-techie), but a webOS phone might make things much easier for her,
> which would naturally extend away from the admittedly rather cumbersome
> physical local sync approach towards the ease of the cloud.
> For this demographic, webOS should be successful. I know it would be her
> first choice to move forward from her Centro (pending affordable GSM in
> Canada).
> But, have we all but dismissed the possibility that HP might refocus or
> redirect webOS/hardware development to speak to our niche needs? February
> should be a key month for some new hints at what HP has planned, and whether
> "we" fit into their plans in any way.
>
> Regards,
> Non-Techie Talk
> nontechietalk at gmail.com
> http://nontechietalk.blogspot.com
> http://www.twitter.com/nontechietalk
>
>
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1. Re: Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>>      (Judd Montgomery)
>>   2. Re: Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>>      (Carlo Graziani)
>>   3. Re: Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>>      (edodd at billiau.net)
>>   4. Re: Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS? (Ng Oon-Ee)
>>   5. Re: Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>>      (James E. LaBarre)
>>   6. Re: Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>>      (David A. Desrosiers)
>>   7. Re: Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>>      (russ at russbutton.com)
>>   8. Re: Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS? (Edward Comer)
>>   9. Re: Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>>      (David A. Desrosiers)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:40:32 -0500
>> From: Judd Montgomery <judd at jpilot.org>
>> Subject: Re: [jp] Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
>> Message-ID: <20110120204031.GC24059 at taz.localhost>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> This thread started in Sep 2009.  The user base for PalmOS and jpilot
>> has to be shrinking.  Here is a poll for the list:  What platform are
>> people going to?
>>
>> I've been learning Android programming in my spare time.  I wrote my
>> first application, put it in the market and I feel fairly competent.
>> I'm thinking about my second application.  I could try to create
>> something to appeal to the masses, I could write something that
>> interests me, or I could work on a desktop sync solution along with
>> better PIM apps.
>>
>> If I went with the PIM apps I'd like to write:
>> KeyRing with sync
>> Notepad with sync
>> Tasks with sync
>> A Calendar sync adapter
>> A Contacts sync adapter
>>
>> This is too much work for one person.  Is there any interest in
>> putting together a team?  I realize this is probably the wrong place
>> to ask, but I figured I'd start here and I also want to see if there
>> is a demand for it.  Unfortunately too many users have chosen to store
>> their data with Google.  I get the impression that the demand for PIM
>> apps with sync ability is small.  What would be a fair price for PIM
>> apps and sync adapters?
>>
>> Judd
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:40:48 -0600
>> From: Carlo Graziani <carlo at oddjob.uchicago.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [jp] Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
>> Message-ID: <4D38ABE0.3070307 at oddjob.uchicago.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 01/20/2011 02:40 PM, Judd Montgomery wrote:
>> > This thread started in Sep 2009.  The user base for PalmOS and jpilot
>> > has to be shrinking.  Here is a poll for the list:  What platform are
>> > people going to?
>> >
>> > I've been learning Android programming in my spare time.  I wrote my
>> > first application, put it in the market and I feel fairly competent.
>> > I'm thinking about my second application.  I could try to create
>> > something to appeal to the masses, I could write something that
>> > interests me, or I could work on a desktop sync solution along with
>> > better PIM apps.
>> >
>> > If I went with the PIM apps I'd like to write:
>> > KeyRing with sync
>> > Notepad with sync
>> > Tasks with sync
>> > A Calendar sync adapter
>> > A Contacts sync adapter
>> >
>> > This is too much work for one person.  Is there any interest in
>> > putting together a team?  I realize this is probably the wrong place
>> > to ask, but I figured I'd start here and I also want to see if there
>> > is a demand for it.  Unfortunately too many users have chosen to store
>> > their data with Google.  I get the impression that the demand for PIM
>> > apps with sync ability is small.  What would be a fair price for PIM
>> > apps and sync adapters?
>> >
>>
>> This is excellent news Judd.
>>
>> As to your poll:  I'll be getting an Android device by Spring.  Still
>> relying on my Treo for now.
>>
>> The larger question:  It's true that the solutions on offer typically
>> sync with a "public" (i.e. third-party) cloud, like Google's.  But that's
>> just because it's in Google's (say) interest to set things up that way.
>>
>> I believe that there's an unfilled niche for private clouds, wherein
>> individuals sync up their data (documents, music, communications,
>> pictures,
>> code etc.) among their personal networked devices (PCs, laptops,
>> smartphones, DVRs, media systems, picture frames, etc.), unmediated by
>> third parties.
>>
>> No tech company currently appears to believe that there's a viable
>> business
>> model in offering consumer-grade personal cloudlets that do this for
>> individuals.  Some individuals appear to be attempting roll their own
>> cloudlets based on SyncML and Funambol (see postings by Laurent Roche on
>> this list), although DD appears to believe that the patent encumbrance of
>> SycnML is too dangerous for FOSS developers.
>>
>> All this by way of saying that the Linux/Palm experience has created a
>> community (the subscribers to this list and the various pilot-link lists)
>> who are more alert to the possibilities of private cloudlets because (a)
>> we've been relying on private sync for over a decade, and (b) we're
>> accustomed to rolling our own solutions.  This may have put us in the
>> position of seeing as blindingly obvious a promising technological
>> development that totally eludes the usual-suspect cloud evangelizers.
>>
>> I would therefore say that while old-style device/PC PIM sync is a bit
>> old-fashioned, it could still be made to fit within a broader sync
>> framework that permits users to connect all their own network devices, and
>> strictly control the extent (if any) to which external clouds like
>> Google's
>> may exchange data with their cloudlet.  Initial implementations on Android
>> and Linux could lead the way for broader development as people wanting to
>> bring more types of platforms into their cloudlets get interested in
>> contributing.
>>
>> As to joining a team, if one jells, I'd contribute some C as my
>> skills and time permit.  I couldn't be a primary developer, though.
>>
>> Carlo
>>
>> P.S.:  Every one of these discussions has tended to devolve after a
>> promising beginning into a round of "It sucks that the world is leaving
>> PalmOS behind.  I hate it.  Here's why..."  At which point all
>> forward-looking discussion has stopped, to be replaced by much gnashing of
>> teeth and declarations of loyalty to classic devices.  If at all possible,
>> could this thread, if it develops, be about the broad future of private
>> sync?  Nobody is going to take existing palmos sync software away from
>> anyone.  It would be nice to talk about getting ahead of the curve, for
>> once...
>>
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:49 +1100
>> From: edodd at billiau.net
>> Subject: Re: [jp] Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>> To: "J-Pilot Discussion List" <jpilot at jpilot.org>
>> Message-ID:
>>        <fec09286f8217f81d464a7c65926977b.squirrel at www.billiau.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> > On 01/20/2011 02:40 PM, Judd Montgomery wrote:
>> >> This thread started in Sep 2009.  The user base for PalmOS and jpilot
>> >> has to be shrinking.  Here is a poll for the list:  What platform are
>> >> people going to?
>>
>> > As to joining a team, if one jells, I'd contribute some C as my
>> > skills and time permit.  I couldn't be a primary developer, though.
>> >
>> > Carlo
>> >
>>
>> No hope of me programming either, but I could test...
>> No I don't own any android device yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:55:56 +0800
>> From: Ng Oon-Ee <ngoonee at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [jp] Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>> To: jpilot at jpilot.org
>> Message-ID: <1295564156.13396.2.camel at ngoonee-laptop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-9"
>>
>> On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 09:09 +1100, edodd at billiau.net wrote:
>> > > On 01/20/2011 02:40 PM, Judd Montgomery wrote:
>> > >> This thread started in Sep 2009.  The user base for PalmOS and jpilot
>> > >> has to be shrinking.  Here is a poll for the list:  What platform are
>> > >> people going to?
>> >
>> > > As to joining a team, if one jells, I'd contribute some C as my
>> > > skills and time permit.  I couldn't be a primary developer, though.
>> > >
>> > > Carlo
>> > >
>> >
>> > No hope of me programming either, but I could test...
>> > No I don't own any android device yet.
>> >
>> I'm actually still on a relatively new Palm (Centro). Haven't thought of
>> post-Palm yet, possibly the Android (if it supports SyncML well).
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:19:24 -0500
>> From: "James E. LaBarre" <j.e.labarre at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [jp] Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
>> Message-ID: <4D38C2FC.8080207 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 01/20/2011 03:40 PM, Judd Montgomery wrote:
>> > This thread started in Sep 2009.  The user base for PalmOS and jpilot
>> > has to be shrinking.  Here is a poll for the list:  What platform are
>> > people going to?
>>
>> Well, once I've exhausted any supply of PalmOS devices (or until Linux
>> manages to permenantly break connectivity), I'll either go back to
>> paper, or I'll figure out something that uses a USB stick and whatever
>> cross-platform portable apps I can find (especially Keyring).
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:01:06 -0500
>> From: "David A. Desrosiers" <david.a.desrosiers at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [jp] Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
>> Message-ID:
>>        <AANLkTikGhC1OxxuTbbXMJYYjc7C9QE97zCBKhQLfZN=a at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:19 PM, James E. LaBarre <j.e.labarre at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Well, once I've exhausted any supply of PalmOS devices (or until Linux
>> > manages to permenantly break connectivity), I'll either go back to
>> > paper, or
>> > I'll figure out something that uses a USB stick and whatever
>> > cross-platform
>> > portable apps I can find (especially Keyring).
>>
>> I migrated to BlackBerry a few years ago, and have been happily using
>> KeePassX on my BlackBerry (and Linux, Mac and Windows desktops) ever
>> since. I keep the .kdb file in Dropbox, so any changes I make are
>> automagically replicated to all of my other systems.
>>
>> Seamless and solves my problems nicely. KeePassX also allows me to
>> attach files to each record; something Keyring did not allow.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:03:49 -0800
>> From: <russ at russbutton.com>
>> Subject: Re: [jp] Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
>> Message-ID: <f78d94c5a15baa270cebaea18311707f at mail.keysecure.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:19:24 -0500, "James E. LaBarre"
>> <j.e.labarre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 01/20/2011 03:40 PM, Judd Montgomery wrote:
>> >> This thread started in Sep 2009.  The user base for PalmOS and jpilot
>> >> has to be shrinking.  Here is a poll for the list:  What platform are
>> >> people going to?
>>
>> I went to a Nokia N900 about 9 months ago, but will probably go Android at
>> some point.   There's a lot of noise about Android being ported to the
>> N900, so that's where I'll probably go once the port is actually complete.
>>
>> I'm a Linux sysadmin, not a developer.  I'm good with /bin/sh, regular
>> expressions and not a lot else.  If there's something I can do to
>> contribute, I'm happy to, but I'm don't know how much help I'd actually
>> be.
>>
>> Frankly I was quite happy with my Treo 680, but I took a gig where they
>> demanded I have a phone with features the Treo just did not have, so I
>> went
>> to the N900.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:06:38 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Edward Comer <ecomer at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [jp] Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
>> Message-ID: <169216.86914.qm at web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Keyring is vital for me.
>>
>> I can test with an Android device that is WiFi only and android v1.6.
>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:07:22 -0500
>> From: "David A. Desrosiers" <david.a.desrosiers at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [jp] Maemo vs Android - Where do we go post Palm OS?
>> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
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>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM,  <russ at russbutton.com> wrote:
>> > Frankly I was quite happy with my Treo 680, but I took a gig where they
>> > demanded I have a phone with features the Treo just did not have, so I
>> > went
>> > to the N900.
>>
>> Did they pay for your N900, since they demanded the increased
>> functionality?
>>
>>
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