[jp] HP tosses WebOS to the open source community - is it worth jumping on to make it what it was?

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Fri Dec 9 19:45:08 EST 2011


http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-webos-enyo-app-framework-goes-open-source/65117?tag=nl.e589

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/why-open-source-webos-has-legs-because-people-fear-google/311

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>      ownCloud? (Tom)
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> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:04:52 -0800
> From: "Ron K. Jeffries" <rjeffries at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [jp] The Palm Is Dead, Long Live WebOS-Android with
>        ownCloud?
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> Samsung does have a 5-in. WiFi only thingie that
> competes with the iPod more or less. It is not Linux
> but is Android. With Deja Office you sync to your Windoze.
>
> Before long somebody will do a similar program that
> syncs with Linux.
>
> Re:
> https://spideroak.com/download/referral/ecfb77f177cf3406120252f3a3ccc8be
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> Semi-related: I use the cloud, and I share some of the distrust
> a few of you express. I selected SpiderOak because it
> has a VERY strong security model. Everything is encrypted
> on your Linux, Mac or Windows machine.
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> It is FREE for the first 2GB. It is way more flexible (and secure)
> than, e.g. DropBox. If you wish to try it, consider using
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> is for. Please consider clicking the link below. Yes, it helps ME grow
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> https://spideroak.com/download/referral/ecfb77f177cf3406120252f3a3ccc8be
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> It has a sweet Sync capability among your devices, e.g. a folder
> on Linux and a folder on another OS.
>
> It also can be used across all your machines INCLUDING removable
> drives with just the single licence.
>
> yes, I like these guys. Their stake in the ground is security.
>
> Oh, they have iPhone and Android clients also. The Android
> one is beta, not as powerful as it needs to be, but improving.
>
>
>
> ---
> Ron K. Jeffries
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> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 08:30, James Seymour <jseymour at linxnet.com> wrote:
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> > On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:19:41 -0600
> > Karl Schmidt <karl at xtronics.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > But why not instead of a droid, use a pocket-able ( I would say 7"
> > > diagonal ) tablet running Linux? Use skype ...
> > [snip]
> >
> > Because some of us don't care to be hauling-around a 7" tablet
> > everywhere, things like Skype require an Internet connection and, quite
> > honestly, Skype, in particular, is a bit of a joke--even compared to
> > serious SIP providers, much-less real phone service?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim
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> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:59:09 +0100
> From: Johan Vromans <jvromans at squirrel.nl>
> To: jpilot at jpilot.org
> Subject: Re: [jp] The Palm Is Dead, Long Live WebOS-Android with
>        ownCloud?
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> Karl Schmidt <karl at xtronics.com> writes:
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> > What must have feature does Android have that a Linux box doesn?t?
>
> First, I'm not aware of any Linux tablets of this kind. The N900 was the
> last. I have yet to see a full-blown (= useful) Linux distro on a
> tablet.
>
> Second, for the time being: Android has apps that are designed to work
> on a small handheld tablet.
>
> I don't see JPilot usable on a 7" linux tablet with touch screen and no
> keypad.
>
> -- Johan
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:06:50 +0100
> From: Johan Vromans <jvromans at squirrel.nl>
> To: jpilot at jpilot.org
> Subject: Re: [jp] The Palm Is Dead, Long Live WebOS-Android with
>        ownCloud?
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> "Ron K. Jeffries" <rjeffries at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > With Deja Office you sync to your Windoze.
> > Before long somebody will do a similar program that
> > syncs with Linux.
>
> I'm not that optimistic. The number of users that run Linux and require
> synching are very small compared to Windows and others.
>
> > https://spideroak.com/download/referral/ecfb77f177cf3406120252f3a3ccc8be
>
> My pleasure :)
>
> -- Johan
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 21:49:20 -0500 (EST)
> From: accessys at smart.net
> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
> Subject: Re: [jp] Re : The Palm Is Dead,        Long Live WebOS-Android
> with
>        ownCloud?
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.1112082148140.18135 at cygnus.smart.net>
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> AMEN!!!  will keep my TX running as long as possible, may have to go back
> to a dayplanner if they still make them.
>
> Bob
>
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2011, James E. LaBarre wrote:
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> > Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 00:47:55 -0500
> > From: James E. LaBarre <j.e.labarre at gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
> > To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
> > Subject: Re: [jp] Re : The Palm Is Dead,
> >     Long Live WebOS-Android with ownCloud?
> >
> >>> Yes. That's why I absolutely want to have this information locally. And
> >>> locally only.
> >>
> >> Fair enough, then no Android (or indeed any modern smartphone) for
> >> you. I don't particularly understand this mindset, but then again I
> >> use gmail and facebook so I'm pretty sure I'm of a different mindset
> >> (and generation). To each his own, though the cost to pay for privacy
> >> is quite high, convenience and money-wise.
> >
> > Well, we *USED* to have that capability with PalmOS, which is why I keep
> > pointing out thta we have moved significantly backwards with the lemming
> rush
> > towards "smartphones".  The classic Palm-type PDA did all these things,
> and
> > did it *locally*, no need to send your data half way around the world to
> some
> > server of unknown security and back simply to exchange data between two
> > devices sitting 2 feet away from each other.  And for that significant
> > reduction in functionality, you get the dubious privilege of paying
> > exorbitant fees.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:17:22 -0500 (EST)
> From: accessys at smart.net
> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
> Subject: Re: [jp] The Palm Is Dead, Long Live WebOS-Android with
>        ownCloud?
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> I suspect that there are a lot more Linux users than the windoze
> propaganda machine makes one think.
>
> I wonder how many people just buy windoze machines and format the hard
> drive first thing.
>
> no one is counting.  M$ counts them as windoze users even if they never
> use it.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2011, Johan Vromans wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:06:50 +0100
> > From: Johan Vromans <jvromans at squirrel.nl>
> > Reply-To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
> > To: jpilot at jpilot.org
> > Subject: Re: [jp] The Palm Is Dead, Long Live WebOS-Android with
> ownCloud?
> >
> > "Ron K. Jeffries" <rjeffries at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> With Deja Office you sync to your Windoze.
> >> Before long somebody will do a similar program that
> >> syncs with Linux.
> >
> > I'm not that optimistic. The number of users that run Linux and require
> > synching are very small compared to Windows and others.
> >
> >>
> https://spideroak.com/download/referral/ecfb77f177cf3406120252f3a3ccc8be
> >
> > My pleasure :)
> >
> > -- Johan
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:24:48 -0800
> From: Tom <tmst08 at gmail.com>
> To: "J-Pilot Discussion List" <jpilot at jpilot.org>
> Subject: Re: [jp] Re : The Palm Is Dead,        Long Live WebOS-Android
> with
>        ownCloud?
> Message-ID: <201112082224.49163.tmst08 at gmail.com>
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> On Thursday 08 December 2011, Jim wrote:
> > No, we have not.  That is an utter fabrication.  We've been flooded
> > with lots of goods of inferior quality, but firearms, interestingly
> > enough, have not been amongst them.
> <snip>
> >
>
> Wow. I expected a possible objection to the somewhat poorly-chosen
> metaphor(s)
> but never a literal interpretation.
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 08:14:59 +0100
> From: Johan Vromans <jvromans at squirrel.nl>
> To: jpilot at jpilot.org
> Subject: Re: [jp] The Palm Is Dead, Long Live WebOS-Android with
>        ownCloud?
> Message-ID: <m239cutdvw.fsf at phoenix.squirrel.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> accessys at smart.net writes:
>
> > I suspect that there are a lot more Linux users than the windoze
> > propaganda machine makes one think. [..] no one is counting. M$ counts
> > them as windoze users even if they never use it.
>
> In this case, it's the number of JPilot users that counts. ore
> precisely, the number of JPilot users that want to synch with DejaOffice
> (or any other suitable tool). I'm afraid that's too small a number to be
> interesting for DejaOffice (...) to develop the necessary synch software.
>
> -- Johan
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:19:00 -0500
> From: "James E. LaBarre" <j.e.labarre at gmail.com>
> To: J-Pilot Discussion List <jpilot at jpilot.org>
> Subject: Re: [jp] Re : The Palm Is Dead,        Long Live WebOS-Android
> with
>        ownCloud?
> Message-ID: <4EE218D4.6040409 at gmail.com>
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> > Others disagree, which is fine, but guess where the money is
> > right now?
>
> Well, for certain they aren't getting any of *MY* money, and quite
> likely not from a number of other people who aren't quite as vocal in
> their objections to the downward trend of service.
>
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