[jp] Help for a newbie

Carlo Graziani carlo at oddjob.uchicago.edu
Wed Jun 25 17:25:14 EDT 2008

This is perhaps too harsh a response, and in my opinion doesn't clarify
where the problem lies and what the possible solutions are.

Like most mainstream distributions, Xandros is distributed not as source
but rather as binary packages.  The package format is Debian's, as are the
tools for administering/adding/removing packages.  If Xandros offered
j-pilot as one of their packages, you could probably locate it using the
installed software management system, and installing it would be a snap.

As far as I can see, j-pilot is not in fact part of their distribution.  In
order to install it, you would have to do some command-line work to unpack
the source tarball that you presumably downloaded, then build the binary
and install it.  It's not very hard, but it would be worth reading the
README/ INSTALL files to get oriented first.

However, in my opinion, there may be other possibilities that you may want
to try before you go this way.

If I read the Xandros distribution "docs" (sigh), correctly, Xandros does
in fact distribute both gnome-pilot and kdepim, both of which may be
acceptable for syncing your PDA.  One of these two is almost certainly
already installed on your system --- which one depends on whether you are
using Gnome or KDE as your desktop.

The thing is, if you try to use j-pilot, you are also going to have to try
to un-install (or at least shut off permanently) the existing sync
software, since otherwise it will duel with j-pilot for control of the
device, and guarantee you long, frustrating troubleshooting sessions.

In addition, your distribution probably figured out and configured some
under-the-hood details (relating to "udev", if you care to look it up) that
you could very well wind up having to re-configure yourself after
successfully installing j-pilot.

What I'm saying is this:  j-pilot is much nicer than all the alternatives.
But between you and successful, consistent, reliable j-pilot sync-ing there
is probably a few days of documentation reading and troubleshooting.  On
the other hand, you probably already have installed a Xandros-configured
sync solution.  Investigating whether kdepim/gnome-pilot are satisfactory
for your purposes will probably require much less effort on your part.  So
in your place I would poke around the menus (and the Xandros forums) until
I locate the Xandros-approved palm sync solution, and give it a whirl.  If
it sucks, come back and we'll get you on your way with j-pilot.



russ at russbutton.com wrote:
>> I'm a complete newbie to Linux and JPilot. I've just bought an Asus EEE
>> PC and downloaded jpilot in the hope of being able to sync my Sony Clie
>> TJ37 with the Asus. I don't even know how to get to a command prompt in
>> the Asus Xandros Linux and even if I did, I wouldn't know the commands
>> to use to install on the Asus.
>> I have been able to put the jpilot file on the Asus via a USB card
>> reader but that's as far as I've been able to go.
>> Can anyone refer me to a previous posting or another URL or list where I
>> can get help with this?
> Linux can't be managed effectively without some amount of command line
> work.  I don't know Xandros and I doubt if many people here do, so you
> picked a Linux varient without a lot of company.
> You don't say if the jpilot file is an executable file, or if it is source
> code that needs to be compiled.  Please don't be offended when I say this,
> but if you don't know the difference, you really should take the PC back
> to where you got it and buy yourself a Mac.
> I'm a big fan of Ubuntu Linux myself, and 98% of it can be managed without
> a command line.  But if what you want is the power that Linux really has
> to offer, then you have to WANT to get to the command line and get to
> fiddling around with config files and the like.
> I have my wife using a Linux desktop, but all she does is read e-mail and
> write the occaisional letter.  I've already configured printing for her
> and she does NO administration of the machine.  She can barely use
> Thunderbird.
> Linux is not a cheap Windows imitation, as much as the Xandros folks would
> like you to believe.  It doesn't "just work" much of the time.
> Most people who pose questions here have pulled down jpilot and already
> done a fair amount in configuring and trying to make it work.  Their
> questions are typically ones of how they've configured this or that file,
> or if they're REAL wireheads, they get into compile options because
> they're installing from source code.
> If you want any effective help, you'll need to tell us more about what
> you've done, where you got the jpilot file from, and what kind of file it
> is.  Have you installed any other new software on you Xandros PC yet? 
> What was the process for that?  Can't you use a similar process for
> installing jpilot?
> Russ
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